Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mngwa

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The suggestion to redirect to The Nunda, Eater of People looked like a good WP:ATD, but mngwa isn't even mentioned there, other than as a See Also back to here. If somebody wants to add (reliably sourced) information about Mngwa to The Nunda, Eater of People, they can do so on their own. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:22, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mngwa[edit]

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Fails GNG; could not find acceptable reliable sources to establish notability. Existing sources and those found through searching are fringe and/or non-rs. –dlthewave ☎ 03:22, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Animal-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 04:38, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 04:38, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

SPEEDY KEEP Sources are provided in the article, there has been no engagement at all with what they say by the nom. This is part of a months-long campaign of deletion nominations against Cryptids by the nom. FOARP (talk) 12:40, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Two sources were present when I nominated the article for deletion. The first, Mystery Cats of the World, was written by fringe author and "cryptozoologist" Karl Shuker and was removed by another editor per WP:FRIND. The second, Arthur C. Clarke's Mysterious World, also appears to be a fringe theory promoter. –dlthewave ☎ 03:34, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FOARP, capitalizing youir suggestion does not render it stronger; it just makes your post the equivalent in a real-life dialogue of shouting. Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 09:49, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect. The controlling content guideline here is WP:FRINGE, and I'm markedly unconvinced that Mystery Cats of the World is "independent of [the] promulgators and popularizers" of cryptozoology. However, in this particular instance, there's a clearly notable redirect target: The Nunda, Eater of People, an article (albeit a stubby one in need of improvement) about the traditional Swahili fairy tale (which is almost certainly the origin for stories of the cryptozoological animal, and which could warrant a brief mention of the cryptid after sourcing and expansion per WP:DUE). Note that "Nunda" and "Mngwa" are (and reliable sources can confirm) variant spellings of the same word; the orthography for Swahili written with the English alphabet was not immediately standardized. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 14:19, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:GNG. Mgbo120 (talk) 19:40, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, obvious WP:GNG fail. :bloodofox: (talk) 20:23, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete violates our fringe guidelines.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:17, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- BhagyaMani (talk) 08:23, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to The Nunda, Eater of People. Essentially a folklore/fairy-tale creature that is covered better there. There is some coverage from Popular Science Monthly, and Desmond Morris's 2006 book Fantastic Cats: A Feast of Famed and Fabled Felines. It's a creature of folklore, which is the basis on which it should be judged, but since it's synonymous with Nunda, it would be better to just cover it there. --Michig (talk) 11:33, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per FOARP. Also, please do WP:BEFORE [1].Tamsier (talk) 22:04, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A long list of Google Books results does not mean that WP:GNG and WP:NFRINGE are satisfied. I see a number of obvious fringe sources in that search: Books by cryptozoologists Heuvelmans [2], Shuker [3] and Coleman [4], as well as a book of "gruesome true stories" which includes the fictional beast [5]. Which sources, specifically, are you using to support notability? –dlthewave ☎ 22:34, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. No sources exist for this non-existing entity. -The Gnome (talk) 09:49, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.